Government subsidies at root of labor problem


This is in answer to the article about Bill Middleton and his farm labor shortage.

There is a reason farmers don’t have the labor they used to. The government every year spends billions of dollars on illegal immigrants and refugees. We provide them with subsidized rent, welfare, food stamps, free medical and dental, free education and free cellphones.

They collect anything they can get so they don’t have to work. We need to stop giving everything away to them. That is not the American way.

If we stopped giving away to illegal immigrants and refugees, just think of the money that would be available for senior citizens and veterans.

Sandi Hayes

Walla Walla


MyFamNews 2 years, 4 months ago

Illegals on Welfare Myth: This site details, what programs are available to illegals and under the law there are none. There are programs for children who happen to be American citizens. Most come to this country to work, and they do the hardest, most back-breaking jobs this country has to offer. They do not come here to live off of our welfare programs any more than do those who come with green cards or work visas. If anyone has knowledge of an non-citizen receiving benefits they should turn them in to the proper authority.


PearlY 2 years, 3 months ago

Key words in your answer: "under the law". Yes, under the law there are no (well, very few) programs available to illegals. But many illegals have acquired false identities (usually through identity theft) that allow them to participate illegally in all welfare programs (or work in a reported job, if they prefer).

In the course of my work, which prohibited me from reporting it, the only illegal I ran across was on welfare, on food stamps, living in subsidized housing, receiving free education for her four children (only one of whom was born in the U.S.), receiving Medicaid (with free interpreter for medical appointments), receiving free language classes at the local community college (plus free babysitting during her classes, which she usually skipped to work under the table as a housekeeper), receiving a subsidy on her electric bill, and receiving free legal services in her domestic matters, including a free interpreter and waived filing fees.

She, her oldest child (an adult), her ex-husband, his brother and sister-in-law, and his mother were all illegals with fake identities and receiving similar welfare benefits, even though they were all working under the table as well, earning anywhere from $25,000 to $60,000 a year.

Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos!

By the way, even if I had reported it, chances are little to nothing would have happened. Even if welfare fraud is prosecuted, which it rarely is, the sentences are typically probation and community service and a worthless order to repay.


NewInWW 2 years, 3 months ago

It's interesting that on the basis, apparently, of your knowledge of one "illegal" family abusing our ever shrinking safety net, you've extrapolated to the conclusion, if I understand the import of your comments correctly, that illegal aliens collecting various forms of welfare is a huge problem, and that all of the evidence to the contrary is simply incorrect.

Your anecdotal experience seems a pretty slim basis for denying the substantial evidence on the other side of the question.


chicoli 2 years, 3 months ago

How nice! You guys have not lerned your lesson from the last election. You keep bashing the 47%, those "miserable parasites" who contribute nothing to our Country. You are so distracted by Romney's phylosophy you just don't see the 1% at the top who steal billions from taxes owed to us "The People". You just ignore the 1%, most of them doing the "patriotic" thing by stashing their "earnings" in secret accounts overseas. Are you planning to do something about this?

Don't you ever forget, LOS NINOS are comming, and are here to stay! No, no, their calfs are not the size of melons, but their hearts and brains are as ambitious and full of faith about the American Dream as you are.

I love this Country as much as you do. I know this Country in many tangible ways, more so from the perspective of its intrinsic benevolence and incredible generosity. I kindly prefer to ignore some of your statements and put them in the understanding of a distraction and not comming from your heart.

Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos...from the heart!


PearlY 2 years, 3 months ago

Paco, you've misunderstood. I wasn't bashing that woman or her family. In case you didn't notice, I mentioned they were all working and therefore contributing to the country. And they were all nice people, too. But they were also illegally helping themselves to thousands in undeserved subsidies. They honestly saw nothing wrong with that. They honestly believed the stolen identities they used were from dead people or people who weren't using them anymore. That's what they'd been told by the people who sell such items.

Underground economies and corruption are a way of life in some countries. In Mexico, I've paid bribes for all kinds of small bureaucratic services, and even negotiated with cab drivers on who would pay the bribes for cab rides that crossed municipal borders and were therefore prone to police stops for a small mordida. That doesn't make either the cab driver, the cop or me a bad person; it's just a different culture. When in Rome. . . . If you import that culture into ours, though, you get rampant fraud on benefits systems - precisely BECAUSE of our country's intrinsic benevolence and incredible generosity.


chicoli 2 years, 3 months ago

If you believe we are importing corruption from Mexico into this Country I have to believe you have a blind spot when you look at Washington, including Congress and K street. We are in no better grounds to teach honesty to Mexicans, my friend. There are more "mordidas" ( at a gargantuan proportion) in Wall Street in one day than in Mexico ( for a few pesos) in a whole year.

I've been to Mexico once, never noticed the mordidas and bribes you experienced. On the other hand I hated witnessing turist trying to hagle the price down on items Mexican vendors, the so called underground economy, spend hours manufacturing. Then, at the end of the day, these vendors go home carrying their penury and their dreams in their tiny bodies. The same night we turist talk over the latest American news over margaritas and Dos Xs, and brag about our good "deals" of that day. We Americans are very good about carrying our American Way everywhere we go.

I still believe in our principles, and fraud in the benefits systems should not be tolerated. It should be vigorously prosecuted, period.

Oh, yes...but when in Washington...


NewInWW 2 years, 3 months ago

Seriously, you don't think most discretionary decisions in major cities of the US are greased with legal bribes, AKA campaign donations? Try getting any zoning matter approved in LA, NY, Chicago or elsewhere without talking to the right politician and having a big "political contribution" check in your pocket.

The only difference between us and countries with "Underground economies and corruption [as] a way of life" is that we've institutionalized bribery and tried to make sure only the political class benefits.


VinoTinto 2 years, 3 months ago

And when Sandi's family came to the United States the government was giving away free land, so those people could have their own home and grow their own food.


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