Number of 'heretic' scientists growing

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Richard McFarland criticizes readers for not doing their own “due diligence” when he chose to use Wikipedia.

Wikipedia acknowledges it’s an encyclopedia on the Internet edited by anyone who wants to help. Anyone who can view the Internet can change what is written.

Information is not checked by people who can make it complete, accurate or reliable.

An article in the Wall Street Journal lists 16 scientists, including Dr. Richard Lindzen, who maintain there’s no need for panic about global warming. Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever, a supporter of President Obama in the last election, publicly resigned from the American Physical Society with a letter that begins: “I did not renew (my membership) because I cannot live with the (APS) policy statement: ‘The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.’ In the APS it is OK to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multiuniverse behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?”

A February 2013 Forbes article titled, Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority of Scientists Skeptical of Global Warming Crises, says only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe humans are creating a global warming crises according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed organization studies. A strong majority of the 1,077 respondents to the survey believe nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

In response to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a group of scientists formed the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC) challenging the science behind man-made climate change. Heartland Institute held its first international conference, attended by over 400 scientists, economists and other experts questioning human-caused global warming.

At the conference, 98 speakers, including Ph.D. climate scientists from major universities, argued global warming was most likely a natural event.

There’s been a smaller-than-predicted warming over the 22 years since the U.N.’s IPCC began issuing projections suggests that computer models have greatly exaggerated how much warming additional CO2 can cause.

In “diligently” doing my research I suggest the number of “heretic” scientists is growing with each passing year. Criticizing one scientist is fairly pathetic, given all information available.

Dolores Jackson

Walla Walla

Comments

namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

Well written letter Ms. Jackson!

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VinoTinto 1 year, 4 months ago

Total Malarkey! A heretic scientist is an oxymoron, whereas this letter and the people who praise it just have moronic opinions.

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

A comment with such useless, meaningless words written by a useless, meaningless individual!

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VinoTinto 1 year, 4 months ago

Seems like Namvet hit his opium den hard tonight! You're nuttier than a walnut tree and everyone knows it!

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blue_streak 1 year, 4 months ago

Richard McFarland’s point was not that Wikipedia was the definitive, authoritative proof that Dr. Lindzen is wrong. The point is that 60 seconds of reading on one of the most accessible websites reveals a more complex view of Dr. Lindzen’s beliefs than the previous letter writer implied.

Science is clearly not a democracy, but the views of a single scientist cannot automatically be assumed to contradict the evidence and conclusions of thousands of other scientists.

Mrs. Jackson, falls into the same trap when she writes about Dr. Giaever, the physicist who resigned from the American Physical Society over the society’s policy statement on climate change.

The American Physical Society has more than 50,000 members, who adopted and supported the society’s climate policy statement in 2007. You can read it for yourself at http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm. You may not find it any more persuasive than Dr. Giaever did, but it’s silly to argue that his dissent somehow invalidates the entire society’s conclusions and recommendations.

Incidentally, in 2010, the APS reaffirmed the statement that Dr. Giaever objected to.

"The first sentence of the APS statement is broadly supported by observational data, physical principles, and global climate models . . . (text excerpted)

“While there are factors driving the natural variability of climate (e.g., volcanoes, solar variability, oceanic oscillations), no known natural mechanisms have been proposed that explain all of the observed warming in the past century,” says the APS statement.

Finally, Ms. Jackson cites the 400 scientists gathered by the Heartland Institute to challenge the idea of global warming. And with the entrance of the Heartland Institute, we’ve left the realm of science far, far behind, for the full embrace of corporate sponsored propaganda.

According to, yes, Wikipedia, the Heartland Institute previously worked with Philip Morris to question the health risks of second-hand smoke. More recently, Heartland lost major sources of funding, and whatever credibility it might ever had, with an advertising campaign comparing supporters of global warming to Osama Bin Laden and the Unabomber.

Is that really where you want to get your information on this critical issue?

Dr. Lindzen and Dr. Gaiever are impressive scientists, and who knows, maybe someday, new evidence may emerge that proves they were right all along and the thousands of scientists with equally valid credentials who strongly disagree with them were wrong.

But until that day, it’s highly misleading to ignore the fact that an overwhelming majority of scientists accept the evidence that the earth is warming and that human activity is contributing to that potentially disastrous change.

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stvsngltn 1 year, 4 months ago

"Dr. Lindzen and Dr. Gaiever are impressive scientists, and who knows, maybe someday, new evidence may emerge that proves they were right all along and the thousands of scientists with equally valid credentials who strongly disagree with them were wrong."

That pretty much says it all right there. Fact is, it doesn't matter worth a hill of beans how many scientists (most of whom we are talking about are not actually climate scientists like Lindzen) believe one way or believe the other way. There is only one truth on this issue -- whether or not human emissions of CO2 affect climate to any significant degree -- or not. There was a time when the majority of "learned men" and scientists believed the sun and universe revolved around the earth (contrary to some 'heretics') and more recently there were scientists who did not believe that South America and Africa once fit together (plate tectonic movements). The bottom line is (like implied by Namvet60) the truth is not decided nor is the 'science settled' ... and in my view there is FAR more indications that anthropogenic co2 does not affect planet temperature enough to destroy our economy just in case it might ... in which case we couldn't really make a difference if we stopped driving vehicles or shut down the coal industry anyway. And yes, I'm writing from Key Largo and there still has been no sea level rises being observed here in the Keys. Tsk tsk.

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chicoli 1 year, 4 months ago

Not too long ( largo) from now Key Largo is going to be Key Corto (short)! Tsk Tsk!

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

paco - you can really get lame.

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

Instead of all the arguing over who has more yah's and nay's the story still goes back to climate change is still unsettled. With the variance of temperature in a slight difference of 1/10's of degrees over the past decades it is rather pointless to say that it is settled. The effort of harnassing Mother Nature and stating a person can predict the outcome is ludicrous.

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downhillracer 1 year, 4 months ago

Namvet (if he even is one) continues to show his disregard for common decency while attempting to judge others with his false sense of superiority. Sad, indeed. Arguments made with such arrogance are easily dismissed.

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

downhillracer (if you are one) - for your info I have my DD214 Honorable! Apparently you have had to many abrupt stops at the end of your so-called down hill runs - such as obstacles (trees & concrete abuttments). If you don't have anything to add why waste the space?

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chicoli 1 year, 4 months ago

Downhillracer, don't waste your time in answering to this guy. He thrives on surfing the morning UB like an opportunistic hungry remora, always ready to snatch out for a free breakfast, and never contributing to anything positive!

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downhillracer 1 year, 4 months ago

I have vets of 3 wars in my family, none of whom feel the need to remind people every day of their sacrifice. Please share with us how your comments to Mr. Tinto added to the discussion in a positive way and didn't waste anyone's time. Your lack of intelect, reason and compasion is clearly evident, sir.

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

First - I don't remind anybody of any sacrifices but the moniker has been in use for a couple of decades now. As far as lack of intelligence - paco and yourself should try spell check and trying to indulge in some type of input to the letters and posts instead of trying to degrade other posters. You two really have no room to talk on any issues!

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downhillracer 1 year, 4 months ago

Thanks for driving my point home. Your holier-than-thou attitude and assumed superiority-complex is present in almost every missive you submit. You have yet to present any academically accepted references to your arguments - and you argue without facts a lot -nor do you appear to believe that any and all deserve their right to speak should their opinion be different from your own.

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

Obviously your obstinate behavior prevents you from submitting a formidable dialog. Maybe you should meet up with the psychotic paco and iron things out.

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chicoli 1 year, 4 months ago

Downhillracer, I understand the temptetion to answer to this guy. He just comes unglued and throws out repetitive ideas padded out with insults and incoherent verbiage. The best answer is to ignore him!

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carcrazy 1 year, 4 months ago

Now there's the pot calling the kettle black!

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chicoli 1 year, 4 months ago

Did you get your fix for the day? The next time contribute something brainy to the community, for haven sake! Now, smoke your pot and go to bed. Atta boy...Cucu rru cucu!

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chicoli 1 year, 4 months ago

I meant to say heaven...where you come from, carcrazy!

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carcrazy 1 year, 4 months ago

Smoke my pot? Go to bed? You must be looking in a mirror when you make comments like these because they can't be directed at me. You have no idea who I am or what ails me, but you seem to delight in putting me down. Thank you Doctor, may I have another?

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namvet60 1 year, 4 months ago

carcrazy - it seems that the loonies are growing - we're up to 2 or 3 that post some really strange comments. Maybe after they get there diapers changed and wheeled back out in the fresh air they will come back to the real world.

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carcrazy 1 year, 4 months ago

Yes NamVet, it is getting weird around here. I do enjoy your posts and I can see that you have been blessed with much common sense. Keep up the good work!

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VinoTinto 1 year, 4 months ago

Once again, NamVet proves that he is the most disagreeable commentator at the UB. It doesn't matter what the topic is, eventually he has to resort to personal insults because his command of the English language is limited ... as are his views!

Get a life, pay your taxes and quit complaining!!!

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chicoli 1 year, 4 months ago

VinoTinto, I drink to that...a "chato" or two!

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