Does political right want to stop Obamacare?

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With all the talk about Obamacare lately, I thought I might ask a few questions.

  1. How many know that the original plan for “affordable health care” came from the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank?
  2. How many understand that it is the same plan being used in Massachusetts, and it has been in use for a number of years with no problems?
  3. If it were really evil incarnate, would tank our economy and make our president look bad, wouldn’t those politicians on the right just let it happen? After all that has been their stated goal for the past five years.

No, I think their biggest problem is they have labeled it Obamacare and they can’t stand to have that as a reminder for all time!

Bruce McCutcheon

Walla Walla

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PeggyJoy 11 months, 1 week ago

The Republicans don't like the idea, that a black president will get credit for the "Affortable Health Care Plan." They are most likely planning to delete that fact from future history books.

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ImJustSayin 11 months, 1 week ago

Really? Still playing the race card? The shame on the left never ends.

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VinoTinto 11 months, 1 week ago

... and the shame of Barney 5 never ends!

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namvet60 11 months, 1 week ago

Do you even know who Barney Fife was?

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Race card! Still won't admit, the GOP members are not racists! Continue wearing your blinders and keeping covering your ears with your hands.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

By the way, ImJustSayin.............don't even talk about the race card being played. The GOP is and always has been a racist party, which is one of the main reason so many are drawn to it.

Racist Roots of GOP War on Obama http://consortiumnews.com/2013/07/24/racist-roots-of-gop-war-on-obama/

http://republicansareracists.com/

Yes, the Republican Party is Racist, and here’s why http://thedailybanter.com/2013/01/yes-the-republican-party-is-racist-and-heres-why/

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namvet60 11 months ago

This is a quote from one of your links:

"Obama’s election provided an opportunity to recover from the loss of white privilege in recent decades. Rich white people are not so much racist as they are conservative of their wealth and privilege."

DUH - they earned it and want to spend it! This Robert Parry is the racist and race-baiter of all times - He is one of many (Sharpton, Jackson, MSNBC, CNN and I could go on and on) that are causing divisive race relations in the US today.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Colin Powell’s former chief of staff Col. Lawrence Wilkerson publicly stated that the Republican Party is “full of racists” who only want President Obama out of office because of “the color of his skin”. “Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists,” Wilkerson said on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show.” ”And the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander in chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin. And that’s despicable.”

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VinoTinto 11 months, 1 week ago

The Republicans can't lead and the Tea Baggers are a mess!

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namvet60 11 months, 1 week ago

Mr McCutcheon - If somebody told you to follow them over a cliff you and multiples of Liberals would be right on your heels.

Your first statement is false: This was brought to you by the 111th Congress

This was brought to you by your adorable Nancy Pelosi and friends. Second this Affordable Care Act does not come close to comparing with the Massachusetts health bill. The Romneycare plan was 70 pages compared to 2700 pages of Affordable Care Act. The Romneycare plan did not raise taxes or reap funds from some other source. The Affordable Care Act is going to use $1 Trillion dollars ($500 billion in tax hikes & $500 billion robbed from Medicare) to start with. Romneycare was also passed with bi-partisan support but the Affordable care act was forced through with Democrat partisan vote. There are multiple other differences as well.

On top of the blatant exaggerations (I did not say lies) what does race have to do with the President being a Narcissistic Ideologue? But have a nice day anyway.

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VinoTinto 11 months, 1 week ago

Reality check NV - Nobody cares what you say!

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namvet60 11 months, 1 week ago

Maybe when you went to school in Spain you didn't learn how to read?

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VinoTinto 11 months, 1 week ago

And maybe you smoked too much opium in Nam because you're obviously out of your freakin' mind!

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MyFamNews 11 months, 1 week ago

namvet: What is your source for a 500 billion dollar tax hike? The savings by removing luxury coverage under medicare was a cost benefit to the taxpayers and a cut in the extra money going to insurance companies. Medicare Advantage was costing 14% more than standard medicare and it was all going to insurance companies, not to medical care.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Do you get tired of NOT thinking for yourself and mouthing the right-wingers/tea baggers on Fox News, and all the other lunatics of the GOP?????

For once, NamVet..........try checking the actual facts on a subject before you start your rant.

Obama CareFacts: Dispelling the Myths Obama's Health Care Refordm http://obamacarefacts.com/

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downhillracer 11 months, 1 week ago

Seriously, wikipedia as a "source". Save the cut-and-paste for your Arts & Craft classes. "Namvet" really does appear to live in a very closed, myopic, dark and narrow world, unaware of the realities all around. Sad, actually.

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namvet60 11 months, 1 week ago

Nothing to add - just criticism & nonsense? That figures - you liberals are lame that way.

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VinoTinto 11 months, 1 week ago

... and you tea baggers are dumb! Shut down the government it will have no impact on Obamacare, but will diminish your ranks even further at election time.

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namvet60 11 months, 1 week ago

I see you and downhillracer are in the same box - nothing to add to the thread except criticism and ignorance. Just shows a lack of knowledge of the issues going on in the world today.

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downhillracer 11 months, 1 week ago

Plenty was added, Mr. Vet: I specifically called into question the authenticity of your source of facts, and then made the observation as to how limited you are in your experience and skills of analysis, which will most likely leave you a lonely, sad and very angry person in the future. Wait - my error - that last part is already true.

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PearlY 11 months, 1 week ago

The Heritage Foundation did float a plan in 1989 that superficially has some things in common with Obamacare, principally an individual mandate, but in reality, there's a world of difference, particularly in that the HF plan encouraged consumer price consciousness of both insurance and health care itself by separating insurance coverage from employment making ALL plans individual plans, focused them on protection against catastrophic events, and left most routine health care needs paid for out-of-pocket (exactly like the plan I've always had). Tax benefits (including subsidies for the poor) were superior for directly paid costs than for insured costs, again encouraging price consciousness. It also made Medicare more of a subsidy for individual plans than a reimbursement system.

Obamacare turned all that on its head, leaving most insurance still provided through employers, requiring coverage for routine things people could more realistically have shopped for (preventive care), and more heavily subsidizing insurance than directly paid costs. It also does nothing to impose price-consciousness on Medicare spending or anything else. In many ways, Obamacare is the anti-Heritage plan, not the son-of-Heritage plan.

And the Massachussetts plan implemented during Romney's administration has proven to increase costs and actually increase the number of uninsured. It has been a failure in economic terms, although Massachussetts being an extremely liberal state, it has enjoyed popularity nevertheless. I have no problem with Obamacare implemented on a state-by-state basis; I can always move. It's the national mandates that are inescapable and a waste of my money.

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MyFamNews 11 months, 1 week ago

The very best question is number 3. If this was going to do all the things Republicans are screaming about, plus destroy this President's legacy, I guarantee they would be lining up to move it through without a peep.

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PearlY 11 months, 1 week ago

I know the hatred and contempt some liberals feel toward Republicans is visceral and beyond all reason, but sit back and try to re-engage your brain for a minute: Do you really think Republicans want their own and their country's health care and economies ruined just in order to "destroy this President's legacy"? Do you really think millions of Americans have their eyes firmly focused on the history books of decades from now, instead of the dollars being plucked from their bank accounts today and the imminent destruction of the best health care options available anywhere?

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NewInWW 11 months, 1 week ago

You ask: "Do you really think Republicans want their own and their country's health care and economies ruined just in order to "destroy this President's legacy"?"

Absolutely, and it started before Obama took office. There was something about a black, Democratic progressive that drove them insane from the moment the election results were in.

Congressional Republicans have been substantially more interested in avoiding a Tea Party primary opponent than governing in an even remotely responsible way. And I don't hate Congressional Republicans, but my contempt for them as a group couldn't be stronger.

As for the rest, when the "best health care options" include no health care for so many, I'd question the use of the word "best."

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PearlY 11 months ago

Sorry, the race card is no longer the wild card in the deck. It's barely even IN the deck anymore. It's convenient for YOU that you get to label anyone who disagrees with you a racist, since that allows you to label them and ignore them, but Bill Clinton advocated many of the same policies, was disagreed with just as vigorously (more, in fact, since Obama hasn't been impeached yet), and his title as the first black president was only honorary.

ALL politicians want to avoid primary opponents and win re-election. It's a curiosity of democracy that the way to do that is to try to keep your constituents reasonably satisfied. Call them 'tea' names if you want, but constituents in Republican districts seem to WANT their representatives to fight Obamacare.

I commend your restraint on your contempt though. Mine extends not only to your party, but well into most of mine.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

If you HAVE been paying attention..........the GOP has done a damn good job of destroying this country, since Reagan was elected. Most likely YOU have and are making use of any/all liberal programs, that you seem to detest/bad mouth all the time.

Like I told of frined of mine, that was bad mouthing the liberal/Demoracts. If you hate them so much, then reimburse our government with your Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid benefits. I really wouldn't like for you, Pearl, to feel like we "liberals" forced these on you.

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PearlY 11 months ago

I've never received Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefits. (Or welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, or any other entitlement program, and only three years of public education, which was worth pretty much what I paid for it, but I was compelled by law to attend.)

And if you "liberals" would repay to me the Social Security and Medicare contributions I made during my work life, inflation-adjusted to today's dollars, I'd not only waive those benefits in the future, but waive all interest on the money as well. (Of course, in fairness, I ought to be repaid at the same rate of return I've earned on my privately invested retirement funds.) I'm not even asking for the general tax dollars, state and federal, that have gone to Medicaid.

Where should I pick up my check and sign my waivers?

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PearlY 11 months ago

As I recall, two of the principal goals of Republicans of the Reagan era were the defeat of the Soviet Union without triggering a nuclear war, and a reduction in violent crime. The Cold War was brought to a peaceful conclusion, with Eastern Europe liberated and proxy wars ended, and violent crime has plummeted. I guess you feel these accomplishments were bad things for the country?

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pdywgn 11 months ago

I've paid into Social Security and Medicare my entire adult life and have collected a total of not one cent. PeggyJoy please enlighten me as to how much I have to reimburse the Government? These payments are taken out of my paycheck automatically, so yeah they are forced on me. These funds have been robbed by both democrats and republicans for over 40 years, but only the liberal democrats add to the theft by concluding that I would somehow owe them a reimbursement.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

We're in the same boat! My pension will NOT allow me to double dip. I have a choice of either my Social Security or my pension. I took the pension, which is twice as much.

More than likely, then your are collecting a pension; and can't double dip. So you want your Social Security..............then refuse your pension.

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PearlY 11 months ago

Ah! A former government employee. Those (and a few religious workers) are the only people who got the huge privilege of opting out of Social Security for many years. It's not very nice to brag about how good you had it compared to the rest of us.

Also helps explain your bias and your self-interest in the positions you take. Your future income depends on the ability of government to keep extracting ever larger shares of the economy.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

LOL A former government employee! Bragging! Your Republican colors are showing, PearlY. No, I have never worked for the government. The corporation, that my husband was employed by for 43 years, gave me the option of receiving a pension, which was 1/2 of what my husband's, plus benefits; or take Social Security. (My Social Security goes into the pot, that helps you!)

So like a typical Republican, PearlY, you draw conclusions about people without knowing the facts. According to you everyone must be on the dole!

No, PearlY, I'm a Progressive Democrat and proud of it. Since both of us have worked for 43 years, and have no children; we have paid more than our share of taxes. And neither one of us begrudge our taxes going towards helping others in this country.

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PearlY 11 months ago

PeggyJoy,

The only way what you describe happens is if the pension you are receiving (in this case, your husband's) was earned while NOT contributing to Social Security. That is usually government workers, but there are a few other cases, like people who were working outside the country. It wasn't your husband's company that gave you the option, it was a requirement of the Windfall Elimination Provision law that closed a loophole allowing some people to reap an unearned windfall.

If you had to choose between a private pension and Social Security, then by definition you did not pay your "share of taxes" as it related to Social Security. You may not think it's bragging to rub it in to the rest of us that you had it better than we did, but that's what it amounts to.

By the way, if you think you paid "more than" your share of taxes, then you obviously DO begrudge the taxes you paid.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

LOL A former government employee! Bragging! Your Republican colors are showing, PearlY. No, I have never worked for the government. The corporation, that my husband was employed by for 43 years, gave me the option of receiving a pension, which was 1/2 of what my husband's, plus benefits; or take Social Security. (My Social Security goes into the pot, that helps you!)

So like a typical Republican, PearlY, you draw conclusions about people without knowing the facts. According to you everyone must be on the dole!

No, PearlY, I'm a Progressive Democrat and proud of it. Since both of us have worked for 43 years, and have no children; we have paid more than our share of taxes. And neither one of us begrudge our taxes going towards helping others in this country.

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namvet60 11 months ago

PeggyJoy - your credibility just went out the window along with your incredulous views.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Nam, Nam, Nam! What can I say! Seems you STILL can think for yourself! Can't comprehend the "Affordable Healthcare Act," YET? I'm positive, that you and Pearl would and will benefit from it; just like many other Democrat policies, that have be around for decades. So both of you......actually read/study the info available on "Affordable Healthcare Act," and quit biting of your noses to spite yourselves.

By the way..........if your sources are from Fox News......Murdoch and Ailes have made it quite clear, but you were not listening! "We don't have to tell you the truth," which seems to be the mantra of ALL Republican in the media. You know, Nam, if I were you, I would be extremely angry for them lying to me.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Nam, Nam, Nam! Still NOT thinking for yourself.

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namvet60 11 months ago

PeggyJoy - its not difficult to respond to your comments in fact I see that your above post you liked so much you posted it twice. Also indicating that a "silly old law" would prevent you from double dipping.

First I would say that the surprise is that usually people by retirement age outgrow the gullible stage but I guess you've got a ways to go.

In your previous posts you have condemned the hard working American by paying his taxes and Social Security and in turn at retirement age start drawing those monies out. Then in kind you brag about leaving your Social Security for someone else while you draw half a pension off from someone else's hard work. Along with that pension you probably have a health plan along with it subsidized by the company. While bragging about how good you have it while condemning others is very typical of the Progressive Liberals lifestyle.

All I can say is watch yourself because Karma has its way of putting a kink in the best laid plans. And to say the least you are a pathetic person.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Did I say there was a law stating I could not "double dip?" NO, I didn't. The corporation, that my was employed with for 43 years doesn't allow the "double dipping." You have either two choices: collect their pension (which is a benefit to ALL spouses) or collect Social Security. I really beat you would have taken the Social Security, which is the lesser of the two! RIGHT! LOL Also, if you have retired from the same corporation, I JUST BE you would have told them, that your wife wouldn't take the pension they offered. RIGHT! LOL Also, you would had your wife refused the health plan, also!

Only one here that is pathetic is YOU. Typical Republican. YOU don't knnow a damn thing about Progressive Liberal.

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namvet60 11 months ago

PeggyJoy - apparently from your incoherent post I must have struck a nerve - almost like keyboard rage? You must have blown spellcheck right off your computer.

Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

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PeggyJoy 11 months ago

Karma! I don't believe in superstitious crap.

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namvet60 11 months ago

Maybe you should because as Obamacare takes effect you will find that those Roses are fading fast?

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campbell_rd 11 months ago

Why is it that the people behind Obama and his health care atrocity are so demeaning to anyone who disagrees? Why hasn't the Senate passed a budget in 5 years? If anyone studies history the Republican party ended slavery, so how are they racist again? The majority of the people I speak with (a wide range of people) think Obama is a terrible president and could care less about his half black background. Race is not skin color it's pigmentation, most of us have some shade of it.

Stop and think for a second. More people covered with Obamacare, less doctors and it will save you money. Which only works if the millions of young (healthy) people signup and there is no incentive for them to do so... How can anyone think that is possible.

See intelligent dialog can be made without criticism.

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