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We will have to disagree.
I'm a Vet. When I entered service in 1981 I knew from then on...in my heart I would defend all Americans and other citizens if called on to do so. As a civilian citizen for many years, I still live my life in this manner... in that I really try to treat all humans equally. I don't judge on stereotypes, though even I wonder sometimes about someone by their appearance. This is the human part of him relying on past experiences.
I do this every day in my job, assist and help out, never caring what their personal religion might be or sexual orientation is.
I greet everyone in my neighborhood as I work outside on my property projects. For example gardening or currently fence building. I just interact with those who pass by.
I guess we really will just not see eye to eye on this. This story of Arlene's Floral Shop will play out in the press for all to see and in the end everyone will have to go on living their lives.
-Have a nice day.
Sorry, She doesn't have that right. She is a public business, open to the public. Her personal beliefs and opinions; (I support 100%), even as I disagree with her stance against the couple who happen to be gay. She needs to leave her religious belief at home, with like minded friends or in the church. In business, the laws are clear no discrimination. One can and does have the right thru religion to not accept anything they want.......
Anyway, She used 'Jesus Christ' as her reason to not sell flowers to the couple; who probably , most likely are Christian and believe in Jesus Christ, too. This is childish. We live in a democracy of laws and in WA. St. she has broken the law.
How hard can this be, really!?
'Morning namvet60. I totally agree with you. Our great country sadly brushes under the collective table our mentally ill, instead of having in place resources needed to assist them. I have a very much loved mentally ill sibling; she fights me tooth and nail, and well anyway, it's very complicated...
As for those, anyone- I too see citizens often along with lawyers biting at the chop to sue, sue, sue!
Maybe were not so far off in what we believe to be shared values after all.
Differences are healthy and they come from upbringing as in family and ones personal experiences.
You too have a nice day.
Campbell_rd. You have your opinions and even as I support your right to them as freedom of expression, you are so wrong. Some of your 'facts' are simply self serving.
Same sex marriage is not a farce, but now a through democratic practices, legislative or citizen vote. A gay person is not a chosen lifestyle. Come on now you're showing your ignorance. Really, I'm a bit embarrassed for you. Finally you can rant all you want....go ahead, I'm waiting. You have the right- to rant.
Still, First I'm a Christian, then an American/Canadian, a Grandfather, (2 grandchildren) Dad, (married to my Partner, Mark) Brother- friend.... hardworking tax paying fishing & hunting enthusiast, concrete artist, carpenter and sometimes beer drinking guy, oh yeah and gay. Big deal. Oh yeah my sexuality has nothing to do with my private life only my private. And you care? Get over it and grow up! I could care less about your private life. What gives?
Immigrants, not 'illegal immigrants' is was I was speaking of! BTW if they, (legal immigrants) set off bombs in crowded places they should go to hell! Though I enjoy your input in this 'blog' sometimes you're so eager to put a hit back on those you are uncomfortable with, (like me, I guess) you say some stupid stuff. Why?
Read carefully before you post a comment.
BTW, Timothy McVeigh was a home grown terrorist, a good 'Ol 'Oklahoman' and former Marine, yikes! What do you say about him!? He most definitely was a home-grown terrorist!
As far as I'm concerned they should all burn in hell if they do harm to Americans/ Canadians!
Get your bigotry straightened out before you pounce. Legal immigrants, what made AMERICA and still are- are mostly proud hard working folks.
There are losers amongst all of us, whether we're born here, immigrate or are naturalized citizens. I'm a Red White and Blue American w/ Canadian mixed in and love our way of life. It's hard to reason with you, bud.
Of course, most immigrants work hard and do work most settled Americans wouldn't do.
I only stopped going to his business BTW Cause my Husband and I have not renewed our nursery license. We now grow our own hostas on our property.
FYI, 'Lorne' Is very much a man and has a thriving business, the very public Walla Walla Nursery... His staff were always cordial to us, Mark- my Husband and I. I know He knew we were a couple... Lorne often asked me if I wrote editorials into the UB newspaper; I simply said, "Oh yes", from time to time...just like you.
Mark and I have always been open since our arrival into town in 2006.
We used to buy from him, yes my Partner and I as a 'married Gay couple'. This shows the stupidity about how He has expressed how Gays cause ruin and , well everything negative, you all know the same old tired lines........... as his business has never suffered nor his marriage,( I presume.) from us. We've sent many of our friends to his business, straight and gay. You see, I don't discriminate, but nor do I take crap from anyone! Those friends we sent can make their minds up whether to do commerce with him. They're all big girls and boys.
Sigh, - sometimes this just gets so absurd.
The more some people say, the clearer and less relevant they become. Like Lorne- his tyrants', though I support his freedom of expression.
I have faith that in time this nation will put to rest it's intolerance of 'What Ever's' and move forward fixing problems like jobs, income equality and health care to name only a few.
FOR ALL AMERICANS Geez.........
To 'ImJustSayin'... I never said nor do I ever say any person with a religious view is a hater or idiot, I did say, however that some people don't like anyone unless they are exactly like them,(as in a mind set)...... In our society, however there are haters and idiots, wouldn't you agree that for example The Green River Killer was one? Another would be Timothy Mc Vey, Oklahoma Bomber and mass murderer.
I explicitly stated that I empathize with Arlene, the lady in Kennewick with the flower shop.
Namvet60 I support you totally even as we often spar in opinion; as a Vet you have my gratitude for your service as do all Vets. Americas owes it heart and soul to it's fighting heroes which are ALL of us, male, female, gay and straight. It's not so cut and dry, now is it.
So you see , different opinions, experiences in life; yet we are all American citizens and as such deserve equal treatment and to be treated with dignity. My core belief. My opinion.
As this pending case moves further along, perhaps to our state supreme court we will see together what happens.
Fine. Very Interesting....So next time I go hunting, (Oh) and I fish too, I better not go with my Partner or mention him since we're married. If I go to an independent small business owners to purchase ammo , supplies or our yearly licenses for hunting or fishing the owners should have the right to refuse service , sale or accommodation to us; remember we're a same sex couple.
Guy's, this is a bit ridiculous. Here me out, please.
BTW The Gay couple were long term clients to 'Arlene's Flowers'. There was a real friendly relationship, until she played her consciences card. Honestly I have empathy for Arlene, however-
I believe She and everyone is entitled to freedom of worship and choice, yet She has chosen to serve and accommodate the public. Straights and Gays are the public.
This is where she is discriminating. That law has been on the books since 2006.
The marriage equality that passed has nothing to do with this law which was on the books for everyone's treatment of equality in public commerce and accommodation.
Would it be right to discriminate against color, gender, religion, handicap, how about a Veteran? Can you imagine someone saying I refuse service to this Vet on grounds I'm a Christian Pacifist. There's a lot of haters and idiots and just plain old folks who don't like anyone unless they're exactly like them... Just Sayn'
Right Lorne, What did happen to live and let live? How quickly you stray from your own written words. You are quite hostile towards everyone who has a different view point and as always, you espouse your all knowing attitude and to heck with everyone's else when you speak of God and the Bible. You know there are others (including myself) who respect your differences with me and all Gays and their families, but I will never hurl vitriol at you or your family. By the way I too know God, as I am one of his children. Sigh-
You should search within your heart to find why you have such anger. Calling the 'State of WA.' and all the people who support same sex marriage a warped , socialistic mindset.........remember you have a right to your opinion as did the voting public. The majority chose to move forward and distance itself from intolerance and embrace marriage equality. I'm sorry you are so disturbed by this democratic process.
I suggest you embrace tolerance and embrace everyone's right to the pursuit of happiness.
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