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Good points. This has been an enlightening dialogue.
Totally different. I respect and support the courts decisions in both cases. They really are different situations. Think it through, guys.
namvet, the majority of our American society has changed from absolutely against marriage equality to 'for marriage equality'. No one made anyone person change through force. It has just happened over the past 10 years or so with common sense awareness of what being an American is and what our shared interests of decency and fairness should mean. In the judicial arena, judges are now reflecting this awareness and the change that Americans are clearly asking for. This is why these voter approved edicts are being dropped because they are against the US constitution; equal protection clause, due process and so forth. You however,clearly are still against marriage equality- and that is fine. You are entitled to your personal beliefs.
Really though, how the hell is it that homosexuals get you so bothered is beyond common sense. I mean, aren't there any heterosexuals around these parts that just piss you off. Lol! Grow a spine and move on. Life's short. Be a little more accepting and stop being so grumpy all the time! This is America; one nation under God for liberty and justice for all. Ever hear that!?
Eloquently said, friend.
Well in this case- this judge and I believe decisions recently in all other states in which same sex marriage was prohibited originally, passed by voter and or state action has been found to be unconstitutional. There is 'constitutional precedence': set last year... into federal law. The Supreme Court 5-4 decision. Remember?
Are you two still saying that many folks are not citizens worthy of equal protection constitutionally for the right to marry the one they love?
Sounds like you two are beating a nearly dead horse. My question to you two, is why?
My marriage to my Husband is legal, finally here in Wa. and federally, too. This summer we will have been married 10 years.(Thanks to Canada)... Our families, friends, work associates and others understand this has been a learning process and story of acceptance along the way.
I suggest you two just look at it for what it really is. Thank you.
Neil deGrasse is a joy to watch; even better to listen and be enlightened by.
An open mind is indeed a beautiful thing. An 'open' mind.... Respect for ones differences, yes- but science is real. Conjecture, theory, the great stimuli of the human mind in all it's wonder. Cow pies are for the fields, apple pie for the tummy. Science, now that is for everyone's taking. Our brain; use it or lose it!
I'm wondering if this will end up in a classic west vs east Cascade Curtain vote? Ya think!?
Stay tuned friends.
I am saying anyone who repeatedly, rudely and often hysterically sometimes with exclamation marks..... labels anyone, including me a bigot or discriminatory because my mindset,(opinion) is different from someone else's and visa versa is a 'troll'. They thrive on conflict. They love to see it in print. namvet- I respect ones differences of opinion without getting snarky or rude. Trolls jump out, attack and use demeaning words against the person they disagree with. Their sense of disagreeing is exaggerated to the extreme, appearing to want to insult and humiliate their opponent.
There are the usual suspects; (trolls) on the UB's letters to the editors everyday.
We all know who they are. Ok, it is my opinion that we all know who they are.
I second this at 100% too!
Interesting. This finding say's so much.
Sometime last year when I stated, (along with many others) that WA. citizens should be served and treated equally when a business owner otherwise claims they should be able to pick and choose to whom to do public business with because of their religiously held beliefs, I was called a bigot and discriminatory against those person(s) holding that mind set. The trolls jumped and had a field day against me, which I simply ignored. I said my peace and they, their troll like scathing opinions.
I think this was a perfect example of the trolls coming out from under their places of hiding. Let's make this clear; as a Christian I believe in ones tenets as sacred. As for those who are not Christian I also believe in their right to their own beliefs as well. We live in an democracy. This is the USA. There's room for all of us.
I just think, (my opinion) that in a public setting, let's say a flower shop, a bridal shop, a coffee shop, a machine shop.... if the business owner conducts / practices business to any individual(s) he or she must be open to conduct equally business with all person(s) coming in to their place of business.
Your sacredly held tenets are still yours at home, like minded family, friends, associates and in your place of worship. There the rules are different. You can legally choose with whom you wish to be with, serve and so forth. SCOTUS has made this pretty clear, though this might be changing soon.
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