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Hey oldguyonabike -what minority would that be?
I would think that an educated person could interpret the above poll and avoid posting inaccurate comments in a public forum.
1 - 6yr term for president, senate and congressional members!!!!
The City Council not only reversed the decision, it was a 5-2 smack down followed by a 6-1 majority to keep it 4 lanes. We witnessed true representative government functioning as it was intended. Council should be applauded(at least 6 of them anyways) for recognizing that the function of the office is more important than the individual who holds it.
They not only reversed the decision, it was a 5-2 smack down followed by a 6-1 majority to keep it 4 lanes. We witnessed true representative government functioning as it was intended. Council should be applauded(at least 6 of them anyways) on this one for recognizing that the function of the office is more important than the individual who holds it.
I thought you were the one who stated you were going to be spending your "marginal" tax dollars somewhere else. Now you're telling me to leave? Make up your educated mind.....or is it too easily led?
"They were considering motorists, those who ride Valley Transit, pedestrians and bicyclists."
You mentioned everyone but business. Rose is an industrial arterial in case people have forgotten. Businesses like Americold, WW Farmer's Co-Op, Color Press, Ferrell Gas, Stubblefields, Luttrells, Grassi etc. 23 out of 25 the paper stated. I'm pretty sure you can get a copy of the petition and see who all signed it. Over 90% of businesses on Rose street came forward and stated that they had not been contacted or there was a lack of material disclosure of the full plan prior to Counsel's initial vote. Since Rose is primarily and industrial park with a few residential side streets, it should make sense to consult the largest land owners that use the street for their day to day business operations.
$2.2 million dollar project where 25% of the road surface was going to be taken away from motorists and heavy truck traffic in favor of bikes which translates into about $550,000 for 2 bike lanes. Great idea - a whole new way to waste money and bottleneck traffic at the same time.
The Golden West Estate residents conducted the petition themselves with no outside intervention. We can all thank them very much for taking this matter as serious as they did.
With regards to the funding, Council member Cummins clearly stated during the debate that the original applications for State and Federal funding were done using the 4 lane configuration.
"City engineers — the experts — were considering the community as a whole as they proposed the change, citing research as to improved safety."
Did you look at their research? 30% of the accident report used to make the argument for "improved safety" consisted of accidents that happened outside the proposed scope of work. How do you measure "improved safety"??
Numbers, statistics and studies that contradict common sense or are just flat out bogus are all too common. Take our national unemployment rate and how it is calculated - completely bogus - do your own research if you don't believe me. If the government doesn't get the numbers/statistics they want, then they change the way they calculate them. Just like the government gave financial institutions during the financial crisis new "mark to market" accounting rules they could use to hide all the toxic debt so the public wouldn't panic and pitchfork all of them. Then they put on a show with those bogus "stress tests" of all the major financial institutions. Which is another favorite for some called "running interference". One Council member stated that it looked like the design was decided upon and then studies and data were gathered to support the design.
Many people are content to sit back, listen and believe virtually everything they see and hear as the Gospel truth. I believe the classification is "sheeple". It's a good thing that businesses and residents on Rose street decided not to fall into that classification.
How do you think Giuliani got NYC crime under control? Hired more Police - not Social Workers.
George W. Bush, as the Governor of Texas, proved that you can reduce violent crime and gun related crimes, by increasing the penalty for crimes of that nature.
Wikipedia Mexican Gun Laws and see how restricted the population is with Gun Control...seems to be working out pretty good for them with the Cartels and all. If every home in Mexico had a fully automatic weapon, the Cartels would be crushed. After all, an armed society is a polite society.
Don't you know that criminals usually commit violent crimes with illegal/unregistered or stolen weapons and are only sorry when they get caught, the key is to make the penalty so severe that they are afraid of commit the crime.
Ever wonder why they don't outlaw alcohol to prevent DUI? They opted to make the penalty so severe that its a deterrent.
Maybe they should just outlaw hard alcohol and high capacity magazines and let us keep beer, wine and our 6 shooters!! That's how stupid this whole issue really is!!!!
The far left is always squawking about something, playing the race card, the discrimination card, they have a 52 card deck of crap to play it seems. This is America and last time I checked, if someone doesn't like the way you look, they can refuse you service. Some places will even put it in writing.....Can't count the number of times I've seen a "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service". Private business has the right to refuse service in the same manner that patrons have the right to choose whom they will support.
Let's not over think this people, or in the case of some, under think it.
"...sobering, heart wrenching, honest and evidence-based"
I think I just threw up in my mouth....the same sensation that overtakes me when I hear the name Al Gore.
Read this and become enlightened to the fact that State and Federal Government and Big Oil is a game of Good Cop/Bad Cop. At the end of the day they sleep in the same bed.
Who cares anyways? Doesn't anyone know that most of Central Washington was covered by glaciers at one time? What happened - did the cavemen have too many bonfires?? Can't wait till we start talking about the Ozone again.....
You've gone from narrow minded to just plain simple minded. Comparing the settled issue to building bridges is just that.
One of the points that was brought out during the final debate(if you had listened to the broadcast) was that 30% of the accidents on the accident report were irrelevant because they were outside the boundaries of the project.
Yet we had engineers and high priced consultants basing their "studies" on these reports andtelling us that Rose St. has a 50% higher accident rate compared with other streets of similar design. Then telling us that poor visibility due to trees was a major safety issue, which is why we needed the 3 lane design to improve sight distance. 70% of the accidents on the report happened between 13th and 10th where THERE ARE NO TREES!!(I think the Mayor made this comment during the debate and derived that there really wasn't a safety catastrophe at hand).
Ironic how sometimes just a little common sense can debunk the most professional "study".
This plan would have been dead before the public ever heard about it had there been a full council the first time around. It squeaked through by 3-2 with 2 members absent, was rescinded 5-2(Mayor changed his mind based on public outcry and questionable accident data) and passed as a 4 lane plan by a clear majority of 6-1.
Look at it this way - It was never meant to be. It was a bad idea from the start and the majority of Council was against it from the start. How do you think they were able to bring it up again for reconsideration? It took more than angry business owners and residents to do that. It took a majority of unhappy Council members to procedurally rescind this.
The fact that so many businesses and residents were against the 3 lanes and the majority of Council was against this from the start, should(and unfortunately, God knows it won't) silence the clear minority.
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